My post of the day is actually a reply to one of the comments here in our blog, Do you say ‘NO GOD’?
As it is quite long, I posted it separate.
Submitted on 2011/05/23 at 10:09 pm
“This is going to be a quick post. All the issues you have raised above have already been debunked by many others many times, so I will just be brief. You can get more information by typing in youtube and watching talks by Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens.”
Thank you for your quick post. If your brief answer is one of the debunks..i will say ‘IT REALLY DIDNT WORK’. Go ahead and read 🙂
The universe began with the big bang. No one knows, and when I say ‘no one’, I mean NO ONE, knows what happened at and just before the moment of the big bang, but we have a good idea what happened straight after the big bang.”
No we don’t have! We don’t know exactly which year big bang took place, we don’t know exactly how old is this earth…we don’t know how long this will last. WE DON’T KNOW!
All we do it assumptions and assumptions have no boundaries.
” Scientists are still working on finding answers, that’s why we have the Large Hydro Collider. Experiments like these will help us understand the Universe as it was straight after the big bang.”
Yep..thats what i am saying..we will keep on working..and that never ends.. some scientist will say something..and you believe in that. Few years later, another one will pop up and say, “That was wrong!”. Experiments will give a result..bt again you have to ‘just believe’ that result is right 🙂
“I do not know if we’ll ever find out what created the big bang, but like professor Atkins said, to say God did it when we get something we don’t understand, is intellectually laziness.”
Do you say there is an effect without a cause?
OK this universe was formed from big bang..some thing should have caused that big bang right? Even if you say…’x’ reaction caused big bang.. some thing should have caused that ‘x’ reaction right?
And this will never end until you admit that THERE IS GOD..What we find is the steps which God made to create this universe. There is definitely a ‘Causer’ behind all these reactions.
All these amazing things..just came up like a ‘boom’ without any driving force behind it? Even a needle has a maker..what about this universe?
I say ‘denying Him’ is intellectual laziness..not affirming Him.. get a big picture.
Let’s learn our universe and this will definitely affirm the existence of God, this will never deny Him. You see all those unbelievable reactions and yet you say they came up all by its own? This is intellectual laziness man.
Our intellect is limited, you cannot understand everything…each forward steps you take..u will know there are more and it’s nothing wrong to say, “God did it” because you and I know, “THERE IS GOD”…even if you deny Him outwardly.
We are the product of a billion years of evolution. It is evident in the fossil records and in our genes. The theory of evolution is a FACT, supported by overwhelming evidence. In fact, we rely on theory of evolution to develop vaccines for diseases and many other scientific applications. Monkey and us share a common ancestor. YouTube “Carl Sagan Evolution”. Also read up on Richard Dawkins book “The Greatest Show on Earth” which explains the evidence for evolution.”
Some said monkey is my mother and you say monkey is my brother?
You can believe monkey is your brother..but you can’t believe you are a separate creation with intellect and free will? weird.
You have the greatest history but not that animal!
All celebrated Darwin’s theory..and now they say, “it was without any proof”. Again you celebrate some other theory, wait until few years to get the opposite result.
We are human beings, we always err and there is no 100% truth in any so-called theories.
God exists in the supernatural realm. Most athiests, including myself, don’t believe in the supernatural. So the ‘time is god’ logic is completely flawed.”
Submission… human beings always submit to something, this is unevitable. We submit to the One who created us provides for us all day and those who deny Him submit to primitive things..it may be time, their own desires, science..anything..! And they put their trust in it.. I say that is their God.
Believing in God is not just enough, submitting to Him is more important.
We put our trust in God and you put your trust in Science.
Remember! Science never denies the existence of God rather it affirms Him..otherwise you won’t be seeing a number of scientists embracing Islam. As you are an user of youtube, I don’t think I should list their names 🙂
“Here you are describing Pascal’s Wager, which states that you should just believe in a god, because if god doesn’t exist, then you’ve lost nothing, but if god exists then you have everything to lose. This, in my opinion, is a horrible and vile reason to believe in anything as it plays on humans fear. Using fear to convince of something as being true.”
Put it in this way, billions and billions of people believed in God and only a few lakhs, or crores or even say a million denied Him.. who is likely to be correct?
Those billions and billions or a few nuts? Give a second thought.. there is God.
“First, there have been 10,000+ gods in the history of men.”
If you really ‘studied’ Islaam, you should have known that there is only one God all time. And there was only one God in the beginning of our history (if you believe Adam is the first man, he didn’t worship 10,000+ Gods did he?). There were 10 generations between Adam and Noah where people worshipped the one and only God.
And again, if you have ‘studied’ Islaam, you would have known.. polytheism began during Prophet Noah’s (alaihi salaam) time.
Wadd, Suwaa’, Yaghooth, Ya’ooQ and Nasr these were the five righteous people of Noah’s time. After their death people kept a stone in their meeting place for remembrance. None of that generation worshiped them..but the future generation was deceived by Shaitaan and they started worshiping it.
This is the beginning of idolatry and polytheism.
This is an age of Science and you need proofs for everything.. who knows people may even ask proof for their father 😦 but still at the end of the day ‘its belief’. You are ‘just believing’ your proofs are right (until someone comes and say it is wrong.. and then u go in a confused state) and ‘I believe’ my scripture is right and no one can confuse me because it is not based on assumption!
My Scripture itself a miracle.. I am personally moved by it’s literature. Lemme give u an example..
There are 10 forms of verb (may be there r many but I dont know). For example, if you say ‘he does’ in English, you can say the same thing in 10 different ways in Arabic and each has a different impact and a specific meaning.
When you take a verse and see a verb there…you will say ‘wowwww’ coz.. it will be in the most suitable form.. and it will have ‘the most powerfull meaning’.
You could have used any of the 10 forms ..bt still it will be in the most correct form..and u cannot choose a better option than that.
If you wanna study Arabic go to Qur’an..and it has merely all rules and perfect lyrics..and subhaanallaah… NO MAN CAN BRING SUCHA BOOK!
All English translations we have is ‘no justice’ you know.. you just translate it generally..bt the arabic words are more specific and have more accurate meanings.
And I can never say ‘an illiterate’ man said all these things. EVEN A LANGUAGE SCHOLAR CAN NEVER BRING SUCHA BOOK!
“You are pretty screwed if you die, get to the gates of heaven, and it turns out Brahman is at the gates and you’ve been worhshipping the wrong god all along.”
Hehehe..you made me laugh.. if you see what the vedas say..it says the same thing..worship the one and only God who has no beginning, no end, no parents, no children, no idols etc.. and even it talks about the kalki avatar.
You can call your God as Brahman..we Muslims have no trouble with it but worship Him in the way He said..in the way His Last Prophet did..thats what really matters!
You are worshipping the idols not the Brahman, worship the Brahman guys!
“Also, I’m pretty sure god will be able to see through you if you are just “acting” like you believe in him.”
lol I’m pretty sure, you believe in the existence of God. Otherwise you wouldn’t have made such statements. So it’s actually: God will be able to see through if u ‘act’ like denying God. Because belief in God is ingrained in our soul. From the primitive tribes to famous scientists all believed in GOD!
We believe in God but we don’t want to obey Him, so we deny Him. Thats the truth actually.
“No rational person can believe in something that is not reasonable to believe in; flying winged horses, virgins giving birth, men flying off into the sky. No sane person of reason can believe in such things.”
But a sane person believes in the things which he sees in front of his eyes right? The things around you itself proves the existence of God. Nothing can be there without a Creator.
“We are a very curious and inquisitive species. We are always looking for answers and explainations. When mankind didn’t have answers to the germ theory, or the planets and the stars, and why it rained, and why the Sun was bright and yellow and went from one side of the earth to the other side, we inserted God into the equation. God was the default “I don’t know, but God did it” explaination to everything we didn’t understand. Before germ theory, people thought god took revenge and killed people.”
Again, even if I get those answers it only affirms my faith in God and not the other way round. How amazing these planets and stars are..then how amazing will be the One who created it?
If you deny God you deny the whole purpose of life you know?
What’s your purpose of life actually? To eat, to sleep, to find out why it is raining, why sun is yellow?
You should do these researches to know the higher purpose of your life. And denying it is actually ‘intellectual laziness’.
Even if u know all about sun..it is going to die oneday..it is going to be nothing one day… why do you care about it so much? Care about your soul because your soul is gonna be recreated and gonna be judged. The sun is not gonna be judged it’s YOU!
If you say there is no judgement at all, then this clashes with every aspect of life.
Why do I need to be good if there gonna be no judgement? I shall go and steal.
Why is someone created blind and dumb and others so intelligent?
Why is someone poor and others rich?
You will not get the answers for these qs if you deny judgement.
You talked about ‘moral’ you know what.. no one will be morally good if they don’t have a little fear that, if they do bad, they are gonna be punished. Even if they escape in this world they will taste it in the Hereafter.And the reality is THERE IS A JUDGEMENT DAY!
And to prepare for that is the highest purpose of life, NOT TO UNDERSTAND WHY EARTH IS REVOLVING!
These are all primitive things, you go besides these things and they are all going to be destroyed one day. All your efforts to understand them is null and void.
If understanding the ‘Creations’ help you remember your ‘Creator’ go ahead, otherwise you will get to know what you were doing all these days in a day WHERE NO SOUL CAN HELP OTHER 🙂
“At the very start, the most prominant thing in the sky was the Sun, thus the birth of the “Sun God”, which explained to the primitive minds of humans why the sun went down and came back up again; God went away at night, and arose again during the day.”
Sun was not the first worshiped thing, it was the ‘One and Only real true God’. Who did Adam worship? sun or Allah?
You reminded me Prophet Abraham’s (alaihi salaam) story.. He knew that stones can never be his God and saw the sun to be most powerful. But when there was no sun in night, he said, “this can’t be my God!”
“When he saw the rising sun, he said, “This is my Lord for it is greater (than the others).” But when this too faded away, (Abraham) said, “My people, I disavow whatever you consider equal to God.” [AlQur’aan Chapter ‘The Cattles’ 6:78]
Lets not worship the creation of Allah, lets worship Him alone.
“And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.” [AlQur’aan Chapter ‘Explained in detail’ 41:37]
” That say primitive way of understanding exists today, when even in the face of so much scientific reasoning and explaination, and so much evidence, people still try to explain the unknown by saying “God did it”.”
I think I answered this, even if I get to know the unknown I will still say, “God did it” because He did it right!
Whatever we find is the steps of how God did it.. step 1 this step 2 this ..so on..but at the end ‘God did it’.
As I said..we can never fully understand the way how God did everything. We take one step forward and will find there are many more to go.. we keep on running behind it and all of sudden everything will be destroyed including you and me!
And then we will be raised up and questioned! No injustice will be done to any soul 🙂
And then we may think..I should have planned how to spend my time, subhaanallaah.
“And they will say, “If only we had been listening or reasoning, we would not be among the companions of the Blazing Fire.” [AlQur’aan Chapter ‘The Dominion’ 67:10]
Islaam doesn’t say you should believe blindly. Listen and reason.. reasoning will never deny the presence of God, it only affirms it!
“And lastly, you don’t need to scare people into believing in a god, it’s a poor reason and not evidence that god exists.”
What to do..sometimes ‘truth is a bit scary’. We know it’s gonna happen, instead of denying it ‘No NO NOO’ and getting destroyed when it actually happens..lets prepare ourselves and face the terror.. because IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
“I will leave with this quote from Epicurus, the greek philosopher from ~300BC:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?””
This poem is based on God Vs Evil.. mostly all other religions say this.. they bring an opponent to God, God Vs Devil.
But Islaam is the ONLY religion which says, there is no opponent to God. Nothing can dare to oppose Him.
it is not God Vs Shaitaan, Shaitaan will never ever think to go 101 with God..
it’s Man Vs Shaitan..Shaitaan is not God’s enemy, he is our enemy.
“Indeed, Satan is an enemy to you; so take him as an enemy. He only invites his party to be among the companions of the Blazing Fire.” [AlQur’aan Chapter ‘The Originator’ 35:6]
See God says Shaitaan is our enemy…he is not God’s enemy. he was a pious slave of Allah and now he is going to hell because of ‘us’ (not really us but because of his pride) bt he thinks he goes to hell because of us and he wants to take us with him. What an evil enemy!
God does nothing purely evil, we have good in everything. Shaitan decieved Adam and as a result Adam learnt the ‘greatest form of worship’ ‘REPENTANCE’.
Decieving is bad but repentace is the best.
So in and of itself this poem is a crap, diseased by unislamic faith. 🙂
Also read, ‘Why should I believe in God?’
Hope I answered you to my best!
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A Conversation between an idolator and a Muslim
Muslim: Hey, how are you? Can I ask you something? What would you say to me, if I broke off a massive piece of rock from a mountain and started worshiping it?
Idolator: Hey, that would be a bit strange
Idolator: I mean why would you worship that?
Muslim: what if I carved an image into the rock, then worshiped it? Would that be better?
Idolator: Maybe…that at least would make more sense I guess
Muslim: But wouldn’t the rock still be….a rock?
Idolator: I don’t think so…now it has a meaning
Muslim: So it’s not a rock anymore?
Idolator: it’s still a rock but now that u have carved something on it u forge the rock and see what’s carved in it
Muslim: Does you think my carved rock could answer my prayers? Or perhaps it’s better to worship the One who created the rock?
Muslim: Just something to think about……
Idolator: …Now answering your question, if you are praying to your carved rock and the prayers seem to be working then continue or else just worship the one who creates the rock
Muslim: Hmm…But is the rock really answering the prayers? Or the One who created it, answering the prayers? I mean, if you were to take the rock away, the prayers would still get answered, right?
Idolator: Good question
Muslim: In fact, if this rock had any powers, why couldn’t it carve itself?
Idolator: No idea man !
Idolator: You might just worship the One who Created everything
Muslim: So my final question to you is: how come Hindus worship carved rocks? Why not worship the One who created you and the rock!
Idolator: The carved rock is god rite? The one who created the rock is also god rite?
Idolator: So we are worshiping to god
Muslim: How can the rock be God? Because remember, we carved the rock…does that mean we carved God? Isn’t God the Creator not the Created?
Muslim: just something to think about…
Idolator: I guess that means that we carved god on something that he created…ahh this is confusing
Muslim: Ask yourself this, if this craved idol fell on the floor, could it pick itself up? If not, how can it help me if it cant even help itself?
Idolator: No it wouldn’t, its not magic Smile
Muslim: Yeh Smile
Muslim: So why do you worship these images? Why not worship the One True God?
Idolator: And who is the true god?
Muslim: Muslims believe in one, unique, incomparable God, Who has no son or partner, and that none has the right to be worshiped but Him alone. He is the true God, and every other deity is false. He has the most magnificent names and sublime perfect attributes. No one shares His divinity, nor His attributes.
In the Quran, God describes Himself: “Say, “He is God, the One. God, to Whom the creatures turn for their needs. He begets not, nor was He begotten, and there is none like Him.” [The Noble Qur’an, 112:1-4]
No one has the right to be invoked, supplicated, prayed to, or shown any act of worship, but God alone.
Islam also rejects the attribution of any human form to God. All of these are considered blasphemous.
God is the Exalted. He is far removed from every imperfection. He never becomes weary. He does not become drowsy nor does he sleep.
The Arabic word Allah means God (the one and only true God who created the whole universe). This word Allah is a name for God, which is used by Arabic speakers, both Arab Muslims and Arab Christians. This word cannot be used to designate anything other than the one true God.
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Image(s) of ‘GOD’ from Sikhism, Buddhism and Zoroastrianism:
Okay, now that we know according to Hinduism and Jewism/Christianity one should not picturize God ‘as they do it now’. Today we will discuss what Sikhism, Buddhism and Zoroastrianism says about it!
The Guru Granth Sahib, the central scripture and Guru of Sikhs, strongly rejects idolatry. Idolatry is also rejected by the Dasam Granth a scripture by the tenth Guru, Guru Gobind Singh, and within numerous rehatnamas (documents codifying the code of conduct of the Sikh religion), such as the Sikh Rehat Maryada and the Budha Dal Rehatnama.
Sikhism criticises the practice of using idols to represent God and pray to him.
Human figures of religious significance, such as the Sikh gurus, are common in ‘modern’ Sikhism, and the Sikh attitude to non-religious images is generally relaxed.
Mouth Shut (??!!)
The historical Buddha (Siddhartha Gautama or Shakyamuni) neither regarded himself nor wished to be regarded as a God.
In any of the ‘Sacred’ texts of Buddhism we do not find any evidence or statement approving or promoting of idol worship by Buddha.
On the contrary, Buddha has opposed making of idols, when Ananda, a close relative, the most devoted attendant and a leading monk sought permission to make an idol of Buddha.
The practice of idol worship in present day Buddhism is an innovation, defying the teachings of Buddha.
Christmas Humpreys, author of the book ‘Buddhism’, says of himself that he studied Buddhism for thirty years and of Buddhism in the world today he knows more than most and he has this to say about the Buddhist Scriptures:
“The Buddha himself wrote nothing, and none of his teaching was written down for at least four hundred years after his death. We, therefore do not know what the Buddha taught, any more than we know what Jesus taught; and today at least four schools, with sub-division in each, proclaim their own view as to what is Buddhism”.
The disappearance of original teachings and practices of Buddha are almost complete today, for the Buddhists are sunk in superstitions, idol worship and Hindu religious rituals. Original Buddhism has changed colors completely.
H.G. Wells (An Outline of History Page 392) has described this in a very terse language. “Gautama’s disciples have cared more for the preservation of his tree than of his thought, which from the first they distorted and misconceived (the Bodh tree which helped him to rest his back, while achieved ‘enlightenment’, still exists and with a sapling from the original tree planted in Sri Lanka, the Sri Maha Bodi in Anuradapura , venerated and worshipped excessively)”.
Writing on the corruption of Buddhism, Mr. Wells makes the following interesting observations:
“Tibet today is a Buddhist country, yet Gautama could he return to earth, might go from end to end of Tibet seeking his own teaching in vain.
About this Buddhist countryside he would discover a number of curious little mechanisms, little wind-wheels and water-wheels spinning, on which brief prayers were inscribed. Every time these things spin, he would learn, it counts as a prayer. ‘To whom?’, he would ask.
The most striking and undisputable statement about the authenticity of the Buddhist scriptures is by Chief Monk Akuratiye Amarawansa, Chancellor of the Vidyodaya Buddhist University (Pirivena), Maligakanda, Colombo; Scholar of the Tripitaka and Chief Monk of Southern Sri Lanka. In his preface to the Sinhala translation of Deega Nikaya, he has expressed the following:
“The Deega Nikaya that we see today cannot be assuredly said to be the same one that was presented to the first reform council (Dharma Sangayana). Many reform councils were held subsequently and these Nikayas and divisions would have been subjected to many changes. Therefore, the most acceptable view would be that the present Deega Nikaya is a collection of sutras subjected to changes, additions and deletions taken place after the first reform council.”
So if you find anything to be in favour of ‘idol worship’ in Buddhism.. simply remind yourself of ‘Cheif Monk’ Akuratiye’s Statement.
For additional Reading: http://www.allaahuakbar.net/buddhism/reality_of_idol_worship_and_buddhism.htm
Idol worship is prohibited in Zoroastrianism’s Sacred Scriptures too!
1. I also saw the souls of a man and a woman (2) whom they ever DRAG, the man to heaven and the woman to HELL. (3) And the woman’s hand was caught in the knot and sacred thread [kusti] of the man, (4) and she said thus: ‘How is it when we had every benefit in union, among the living, (5) now they are dragging thee to heaven, and me to HELL?’
6. And the man said thus: ‘Because whatever things I received of the good and worthy, I also gave them back to the poor; (7) and I practised good thoughts and good words and good deeds; (8) I also heeded God, and disregarded the demons; (9) and I have been steadfast in the good religion.
10. But you despised the good and poor and worthy and travellers; (11) you also disregarded God, and YOU WORSHIPPED IDOLS; (12) and practised evil thoughts and evil words and evil deeds; (13) and you have been steadfast in the religion of ahriman and the demons.’
– THE BOOK OF ARDA VIRAF, a holy book of Zoroastrianism..
Idol Worship is considered as a transgression of Zoroastrian commandment. For Scriptural verification,please refer to Patet Pashemani Manthra, Kardeh 10 word 21 (ozdist parasti).
I am asking you O! My dear Zoroastrians..
What do you think about ‘fire’? Is it not an idol? I mean do you think an idol is only made up of clay or a stone?
You say you worship your God through fire.. exactly this is what idol worshippers say.. WE WORSHIP OUR GOD THROUGH THIS ..!!
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